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Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)

Postby mije Wi » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:30 am

Oh, I only knew this function. Thank you.
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Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)

Postby jan-ante » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:25 am


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Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)

Postby janKipo » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:08 pm

While still being unsure about the 'pi' version of "about", I am now sure that my second example, 'kama jaki ala' v 'kama pi jaki ala' is wrong. The principle is right, but, in fact, 'kama', as a modal, already sets up a right grouping, so 'pi' is unnecessary for the second reading. The first reading should be 'kama ala jaki'

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Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)

Postby mije Wi » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:10 pm

So if I understand, about pi and pu, one should be for subjective genitive and the other for objective genitive.
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Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)

Postby janMato » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:35 pm


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Re: nimi sin sin (eĉ plu novaj vortoj, even more new words)

Postby janKipo » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:49 pm

And, of course, 'pi' is not a genitive marker (nor is 'pu', so far as we know); it merely marks a right grouping within a left grouping modifier structure. To be sure, possession is on common meaning of modification and possessors tend to take more than a word to say and so become right=grouped clumps, but any number of other relations do so as well, includng many that are purely adjectival/adverbial and this have no case relations at all.


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