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kasi nasa

Postby jan_kale » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:49 pm

I was reading jan Pije's lessons when I came across this:

There's a particular plant (ahem) which is illegal in most nations but which greatly inspired Toki Pona and which is used for recreation and/or meditation by some people. If it's used for recreation, it's referred to as kasi nasa. When used for meditation, it's called kasi sona.


Is it accurate to say that it "greatly inspired" Toki Pona?

I, personally, smoke about twice a week. I did make a connection between Toki Pona and pot, but I didn't know others thought this as well.

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby Kuti » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:39 pm

There is a list about this
    A.5.5 Drugs
    ilo nasa : drugs
    ilo lape : sleeping pill
    ilo lape : soweli animal tranquilizer or anesthetic, e.g. ketamine
    ilo nasa wawa : energy-giving drug, e.g. amphetamine
    kepeken e kasi nasa : to smoke pot
    kepeken ike e ilo nasa : to abuse drugs
    kepeken lili e ilo nasa : to use drugs in moderation
    ko (walo) wawa : cocaine
    moku e telo nasa : to drink alcohol
    moku lili : pill
    moku lili pi pilin pona mute : strong euphoric drug taken orally, e.g. MDMA
    pilin nasa : drunk, high
    telo nasa : alcohol, e.g. beer, wine, whisky
    telo nasa wawa : vodka, whisky,
    telo nasa pi wawa ala : weak beer, US American beer
    kasi nasa : intoxicating plant, e.g. marijuana
    kasi sona : intoxicating plant used in meditation, e.g. marijuana
    telo seli wawa : coffee
    tenpo suno sin ale la sina moku e telo seli pimeja :Every morning I drink coffee.
    telo wawa : energy drink
https://files.pbworks.com/download/7vnKFVBdbQ/aiki/1595268/toki-pona-lessons.pdf

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby janMato » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:15 pm

That really only works in the context of discussion with a drug user. It could also mean...

ilo nasa : those things in the drawer you can't remember what they are for any more
ilo lape : bed sheets, pillows, nightcaps, bed time stories, boring novels.
ilo nasa wawa : those machines at science museums that make your hair stand on end.
kepeken e kasi nasa : putting a venus fly trap in the house for practical reasons
kepeken ike e ilo nasa : letting your venus fly trap dry out and die
kepeken lili e ilo nasa : to occasionally have a venus fly trap in your house to catch flies.
ko (walo) wawa : marzipan
moku e telo nasa : to drink bubble tea
moku lili : a snack
moku lili pi pilin pona mute : chocolate and other comfort food snacks
pilin nasa : dizzy, disoriented, delusional
telo nasa : bubble tea
telo nasa wawa : hot bubble tea with too much sugar
telo nasa pi wawa ala : shiritaki noodle soup, made with the 0 calorie noodle that consists entirely of indigestible fibers
kasi nasa : venus fly trap, Rafflesia arnoldii, the sensitive tree
kasi sona : hmmm. All that comes to mind are "talking-leaves" which is the phrase the Cherokee used to describing writing. Maybe this is papyrus.
telo seli wawa : heating fuel, heating oil
tenpo suno sin ale la sina moku e telo seli pimeja : Every morning *you* drink licorice tea.
telo wawa : gasoline

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby janSilipu » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:08 pm

To make the eternal point again explicitly: phrases given in dictionaries of tp are what someone has found useful for expressing a certain conept in a particular situation. In another context, the same words might be used for something else or different words might be better for that concept.

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby janMato » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:10 pm

Is it accurate to say that it "greatly inspired" Toki Pona?

I, personally, smoke about twice a week. I did make a connection between Toki Pona and pot, but I didn't know others thought this as well.


I missed this comment earlier.

I think tp (and maybe conlangs in general) tends to attract radicals. I'm on the anti-pot end of the spectrum, but that is because I'm rabbidly anti-smoking. I don't have an particular strong opinion on eating it.

I suppose I could imagine how using it with toki pona might have some synergy, since people on pot report thinking that ordinary (i.e. simple) things are profound and meaningful and trying to read toki pona is an exercise in looking for something meaningful and hopefully profound.

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby Kuti » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:36 pm

janMato wrote:I'm on the anti-pot end of the spectrum, but that is because I'm rabbidly anti-smoking.

ah so i am not alone ^^'


janMato wrote:
I think tp (and maybe conlangs in general) tends to attract radicals.

yes, but why? :shock: :o

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby jan_kale » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:38 am

janMato wrote:I'm on the anti-pot end of the spectrum, but that is because I'm rabbidly anti-smoking. I don't have an particular strong opinion on eating it.


Well, have I got some news for you.

Also, many people now-a-days vaporize instead of smoke. Vaporizing is literally just heating up the herb untill it emits water vapor. You breath in the water vapor and no harm is done.

I'm not trying to get anyone to use drugs here, just saying :lol:

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby janMato » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:28 am



It stinks like the dickens. Culturally and aethetically speaking, smoking, as a drug delivery system, has the appeal of shooting up with rusty needles. In the world of drugs, I like very much antibiotics, diuretics, antidepressants, etc. I'd still campaign for the banning of smoking any of them if a drug company tried to sell a penicillin you could smoke.

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Re: kasi nasa

Postby jan_kale » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:08 pm

janMato wrote:
It stinks like the dickens. Culturally and aethetically speaking, smoking, as a drug delivery system, has the appeal of shooting up with rusty needles. In the world of drugs, I like very much antibiotics, diuretics, antidepressants, etc. I'd still campaign for the banning of smoking any of them if a drug company tried to sell a penicillin you could smoke.


I'm not sure if you know, but marijuana smoke is quite different from cigarette smoke. People have been doing it for thousands of years, too. It's pretty timeless.

If you prefer pills to natural plants then you clearly don't understand how horribly corrupt the pharmaceutical industry is. Did you ever stop to think why Doctors support the use of designed drugs and not natural ones? No Toki Ponan would support that industry. ;)

P.S.- You don't really take anti-depressants do you? Ugh. I feel like you have been indoctrinated pretty heavily by our modern D.A.R.E. culture.


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