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jan pona tan ma Amasona

Postby jan Ote » Sat May 15, 2010 10:10 am

D.Everett describes his experience living with the Piraha people in Brazil, and their language:
(1h speech plus 30 min. of Q&A)

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Re: jan pona tan ma Amasona

Postby janKipo » Sat May 15, 2010 1:08 pm

The Piraha are the latest source of all things wonderful and weird in languages. It is interesting to hear about these, but not necessary to believe in them.

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Re: jan pona tan ma Amasona

Postby Mako » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:51 am

toki Pilaa li pona mute tawa mi. jan Pilaa li sama jan pi toki pona tan ni: jan Pilaa li kepeken e nanpa lili. toki Pilaa li toki nasa li toki musi.

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Re: jan pona tan ma Amasona

Postby janKipo » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:29 am

mi sona ala e mute pi toki Pilawa. taso jan ante kin li sona ala e mute. mi awen tawa sona pona pi toki ni.
Good question -- what do you put in for 'h's? The little I have heard of Piraha~ suggests that tp would record the r as t (very dental flap)

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Re: jan pona tan ma Amasona

Postby janMato » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:48 pm

I did read they have a discourse pattern that I haven't seen in toki pona yet-- a type of subordination avoidance strategy

mi lukin e jan. jan li jo e waso lon luka. jan ni li sama.
I saw the man carrying a chicken.
I saw a man. The man was carrying a chicken. These men were the same person.

Anyhow, I'm skeptical that bumping grammar out of syntax and into discourse make a language much simpler. Some day I hope to demonstrate this by creating a language with all 2 word sentences, the longest sentence that chimpanzees have been able to reliably and intelligibly produce. (Source Adam's Tongue) The hypothetical conlang would have massive chains of interlocked 2 word sentences that would probably follow a lot of recognizable discourse patterns. And the chimps probably still wouldn't be able to use this hypothetical language.

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