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Re: nasin sewi

Postby jan Lapale » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:14 am

Buddhism doesn't allow or forbid things, also it doesn't care at all about gods. Buddhism with gods is a mix of original buddhism and local religion.

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby janSilipu » Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:49 am

Well, okay, except, of course, that the local religion (at least in NE India) was there first and Buddhism grew out of it or (elsewhere) was imposed on it. The role of the gods is important throughout the Jataka tales and much other early Buddhist lore and vital for much of the popular support of monastic Buddhism everywhere (though I suppose you could argue about calling Avalokateshvara or Maitreya gods).

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby jan Lapale » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:29 am

The gods are metaphors to explain buddhism, but worshipping gods is not original buddhism. However, being buddhist doesn't prevent you from worshipping gods.

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby janSilipu » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:50 am

Have become metaphors, perhaps, but that is not their original role. The Buddha stepped away from religious ritual as a means to moksha and eventually from the other regions practices of his days, tapas and kama, but never rejected the gods as such, merely making them irrelevant in the long run, so, as you note, they are allowed, but not ultimately significant.

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby jan Lapale » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:15 pm

jan Silipu o, sina jan ala jan pi nasin sewi Puta?

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby janSilipu » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:33 pm

Ala. sike suno 40 la mi pana e sona pi nasin pilin pi mapilin open suno.

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby janMato » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:25 pm

jan Lapale o! sina en mi li jan poka pi nasin sewi! mi kin li jan pi nasin Puta en jan pi nasin Asatu (Asatru kepeken toki Inli).

len pi jan sewi Inta (Indra's net) li sona suli li pona tawa mi. taso jan sewi Inta li jan Towa kin! (Indra == Thor!) '

Buddhism and Asatru make for a good combination because Buddhism has good things to say about how to relate to the sentient world and Asatru at times feels like it's a lightly evolved version of animism has good things to say about how to relate to the inanimate world.

ni li musi tawa mi:

nasin Puta la telo nasa li ike. jan li moku e telo nasa la jan li pakala e nasin (pi) nanpa luka. (My memory is fuzzy about how I dealt with these in the past. Seems like they need a separator because nanpa isn't in a grammatical category of it's own.)

taso nasin Asatu la telo nasa li kepeken telo nasa pi pipi pi telo suwi.

nasin Puta la jan pi nasin ni li moku e telo pi lape ala! ijo ni li ante e insa lawa sama telo nasa. taso ni li ante kin. (not sure how to express "is opposite")

tenpo pini la mi pilin e ni: kon wawa li lon ala. jan sewi en jan sewi mute li lon ala. tenpo ni la mi pilin e ni: kon wawa li lon. taso kon wawa li lon lawa insa taso.

lon ma la jan Potisapa en jan Puta li jo ala e wawa li lon ala kin. taso lon lawa insa lon lawa insa pi kulupu ale la jan Pitasapa en jan Puta en jan Towa li lon li jo e wawa.

(Hint's for translating-- Asatru and Buddhism are a good mix, Buddhism has things to say about dealing with the sentient world, Asatru has things to say about the insentient world (nature and all). I also think it's interesting that the Asatru drink mead and how that booze is a against the rules in Buddhism, but another mind altering substance, caffeine is okay. And unlike people who can believe six impossible things before breakfast, I can't take a real god or gods, or souls or magic seriously, but the idea that the exist in our minds and in the collective conscious and have magical powers there-- that actually is rather plausible.)

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby janKipo » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:50 pm

jan li moku
nasin nanpa luka (whose list?)
sama ala? utala?

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby janMato » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:07 pm

Is nanpa in a class of it's own (and can start phrases)? Or is this like the invisible li between mi/sina and the verb?

Maybe something that implies a grammatical rule:

telo nasa la nasin tu li sama pi ala kin. (An emphatic negation, an opposite-- a maximal opposite-- a polar opposite)

5th precept. Most Buddhisms have the same first 5, they vary a lot on precepts 6-10, mahayanaist replace the rules about touching money and sleeping in high beds with mostly speech related rules. Rules 11-250 are all anachronistic minutia for the Therevandans. I'm trying to follow the 58 Bodhisattva vows, which interestingly makes #5 "Don't sell booze" and "Don't Drink booze" is a minor precept further down the list.

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Re: nasin sewi

Postby janSilipu » Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:00 pm

Apparently, 'nanpa' counts as a number when it is followed by a number and numbers don't need 'pi' if there is more than one as modifier. We don't say 'jan pi tu wan' for "three people".


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