jan Son wrote:I honestly think we need to stop with trying to keep it at 120. "pu" is such an uneeded word, "esun" (in my opinion) could do with some revamping, and the kulupu already uses words that lipu pi toki pona (pu) says don't really count as words. Of course keeping it simple is great and I want to help it stay that way, but sometimes it just gets too far. Like when I tried proposing a word for complicated so we could talk about something that is complicated but without saying it is done in an "ike nasin". We really have to lower this devotion to lipu pi toki pona (pu) like it's a bible.
I completely agree Jan Son, but unfortunately many tokiponists are extreme minimalists so don't expect anything to come of it. Many of them have the same thinking as Jan Sonja & view adding even one word as the end of the world. By the way 'leko' did use to be a "real" word. It was just removed. So was 'apeja' (to expose), 'pake' (to block), & 'monsuta' (fear/monster). Many people still use some of them, especially monsuta. I still say toki pona needs a basic 1-10 & 0 number system as well as days/months. Days/Months don't have to be new words. Just an easy logical compound system. I don't revel in the idea of much of what I say/write in tp being impossible for anybody else (let alone me a day later) to understand because of ambiguity in the name of "minimalism". That's insane. I think there can be a happy medium between what toki pona is now & something like Esperanto. I'm not expecting this to be a clone of Esperanto at all but many people are WAY too obsessed with keeping tp at no more than ~120 words as though as soon as it goes over that it will trigger the apocalypse or something. Some people even try to combine words that are absolutely not the same idea like 'a' (exclamation word) & 'kin' (adds emphasis to word before it). For example "pona a!" is like saying "good!", but "pona kin" is more like "really good". They are clearly not the same meaning but some are determined to ignore that in favor of keeping the vocabulary small. 'sin' & 'namako' are not quite the same thing as I understand them, & would prefer to keep them as seperate words but at least they're are basically the same thing.