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Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janKipo » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:26 pm

Note that pu says that ‘lon x’ at the end can be replaced by ‘x la’ at the beginning. Not the other way around. So, Lope is strictly correct here that you cannot go from ‘x la’ to ‘lon x’ generally.

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janKesi » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:04 pm

"X la Y" means roughly "in context X, Y." It encompasses some of the "lon X" meanings but it's also more general than that.

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:42 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janKesi » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:21 pm


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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janKipo » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:33 pm

Also, ‘ken la’, 'nanpa wan la’ ‘kin la’, tan ni la’, etc.

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:46 am

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janKipo » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:19 pm

Well, pu is a little inconsistent on 'A,la B’ since, in fact, it gives the formula as ‘A la B’, but uses a comma in all examples. This seems to be just Sonja’s habit and not an “official” position, since the comma is never necessary for clarity (or ever mentioned).

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby jan_Lope » Wed May 02, 2018 7:43 am

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janKipo » Wed May 02, 2018 11:44 am

Trick challenge. Any sample you offer (there is no explicit rule) can be immediately reinterpreted as a noun+ noun or noun+ adj string (cf. the pu/Pije ‘pi’ rule), so not a counterexample, despite “obviously” being a prepositional phrase. Thus ‘tan ni la’, ordinarily meaning “because of this, therefore, so” is now “given this cause/reason” with about the same force. It makes very little practical difference, but it does make some explanations harder or more arbitrary (cf ‘pi’ again).

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Wed May 02, 2018 4:27 pm

https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
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