Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

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Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janAsi » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:42 pm

Currently, yes/no questions are constructed two ways:
    * verb ala verb
    * verb anu seme
This proposal adds a third way:
    * seme la phrase
This has a number of advantages:
    * it is concise - no repetition of the verb
    * it occurs at the beginning of the sentence instead potentially the middle - the "anu seme" construct sounds great at the end of a sentence, but can be buried when prepositional clauses are added
    * it fits with an existing pattern of special single word contexts like "taso la"
    * it doesn't collide with either the contextual or conditional use of "la"
    * it suggests a meaning of "in what context is the following true?" Valid responses could be "lon" - the existing context or "ala" - no context.

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janKipo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:37 am

And also ‘ma anpa li kama kiwen lete’ and so on, so it isn’t a Y/N question form (but neither are the others, really).
‘taso’ is not followed by ‘la’ but stands alone as a conjunction, like ‘anu’ (but ‘anu’ doesn’t need a period, in spite of some usage)
‘anu seme’ comes at the very end of a sentence, after the prepositional phrases , if any, so won’t be buried.
“question coming” seems very different from conditions and context.
It is concise and it is nice to put it out front (like Esperanto and Lojban (sometimes), though this latter sounds like trying to be English again.

An interesting proposal, but not an obvious candidate for inclusion (for one, thing, we already have a number of solutions to this problem).

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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby jan_Lope » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:25 am

jan Asi o, toki!

BTW: Instead of "... verb anu seme?" it is better to say "... predicate anu seme?" because there is no form of the verb 'to be' like there is in English. That's why the verb slot can be empty. A noun then functions as a predicate noun or an adjective serves as predicate adjective. But this noun or adjective does not become a verb.

If you use "seme la .." the question pronoun (interrogative pronoun) seme represents a noun. A la phrase is a condition ("if ... then ..."). "seme la ...?" means approximately "if what then ...?" Or as you said "in what context is the following true?" But this is a different to a yes/no question with the adverb "ala" or a answer-question with the conjunction "anu". A yes/no question or an answer-question the possible answer is already included in the question. In "seme la ...?" the possible answer is not limited to "yes" or "no". How do you answer this question?

seme la telo kama, tan sewi? (Under what conditions does it rain?)

"Yes" or "no" as an answer is not possible here.
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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby jan_Lope » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:42 am

jan Asi o, toki!

I have supplemented my lessons accordingly:

https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https:// ... 0000000000

Here the PDF version:

https://github.com/jan-Lope/Toki_Pona_l ... ons_en.pdf
pona!
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Re: Use "seme la" as a yes/no question marker

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:19 pm

jan Asi o, toki!

Mind that "x la ..." is no different from "... lon x", so "seme la ..." would be the same as "... lon seme", which literally means "at what" and is used for asking "where".

So, "seme la sina pali?"/"sina pali lon seme?" wouldn't read as "do you work?" but as "where do you work?".
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