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nasin nanpa pi toki Topisin (toki pona number system based on Tok Pisin)

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nasin nanpa pi toki Topisin (toki pona number system based on Tok Pisin)

Postby jan Ne » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:16 pm

I've developed a number system based on words from Tok Pisin that describes the basic digits:

Tok Pisin's number system:
0 - siro
1 - wan
2 - tu
3 - tri
4 - foa
5 - faiv
6 - sikis
7 - seven
8 - et
9 - nain
10 - ten
1000 - tausen

toki pona transliteration of Tok Pisin's system:
0 - ala/sike*
1 - wan
2 - tu
3 - si (or tuli)
4 - po
5 - pa
6 - se
7 - sen
8 - ete
9 - nan
000 - tosen**

*sike is used as a placeholder and ala represents the concept of zero
**tosen is used to replace three zeros when writing larger numbers. It is similar to multiplying the preceding number by a thousand


Numbers can be translated by listing the digits, using sike as a placeholder and tosen instead of 000
Examples:
0 - ala
10 - wan sike
16 - wan se
50 - pa sike
1,000 - (wan) tosen*
2,017 - tu sike wan sen
5,000 - pa tosen
88,000 - ete ete tosen
90,000 - nan sike tosen
1,000,000 - (wan) tosen tosen
1,234,567 - wan(tosen), tu si po(tosen), pa se sen**
9,999,999 - nan (tosen), nan nan nan(tosen), nan nan nan**

*wan is optional before tosen, because tosen can be inferred to mean one thousand
**tosen can be added to add clarification if necessary


Alternatively, you can treat the numbers in the system as foreign words by adding nanpa in front:
7 = sen --> nanpa Sen
19 = wan nan --> nanpa Wan Nan
2,018 = tu sike wan ete --> nanpa Tu Sike Wan Ete
9000 = nan tosen --> nanpa Nan Tosen
Last edited by jan Ne on Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: nasin nanpa pi toki Topisin (toki pona number system based on Tok Pisin)

Postby janKipo » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:13 pm

New version (choice of words) duly entered into the groaning file.
Note (as often) putting ‘nanpa’ in front of these strings converts them to ordinals; not what is intended.

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Re: nasin nanpa pi toki Topisin (toki pona number system based on Tok Pisin)

Postby jan Ne » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:02 pm


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Re: nasin nanpa pi toki Topisin (toki pona number system based on Tok Pisin)

Postby janKipo » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:44 am

Not sure how this will work exactly, since the sequence is now a noun and thus not aplausible modifier. ? "17men" is 'jan pi nanpa Wan Seven'?

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Re: nasin nanpa pi toki Topisin (toki pona number system based on Tok Pisin)

Postby jan Ne » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:27 pm

The alternative way of using the numbers in this system might be a little more complicated, so there are some possibilities when using this method:

Use "... pi nanpa ..." for ordinals and numbers
jan pi nanpa Sen = seven people, the seventh person
*This system would rely heavily on context

Use "... nanpa ..." for numbers and "... pi nanpa..." for ordinals:
jan nanpa Sen = seven people
jan pi nanpa Sen = the seventh person
*This may result in conflicts in words that use nanpa as an adjective

Use other words to distinguish ordinals and numbers:
ex: jan pi nanpa* Sen = the seventh person
jan pi nasin (nanpa)* Sen = seven people
*You can use any word(s) to distinguish ordinals and numbers


Otherwise, you can use the original method:
jan sen = seven people
jan pi nanpa sen = the seventh person

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Re: nasin nanpa pi toki Topisin (toki pona number system based on Tok Pisin)

Postby jan_Kowase » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:16 pm

I had the same idea as this, except the numbers came from Chinese and Japanese.


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