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Toki Pona Forums • nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona
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nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 9:24 am
by jan Lapale
mi pali e nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/I created a way to count in toki pona:
ni li tan toki Nijon/This comes from the Japanese language
10=luka luka
20=mute
40=tu mute(2*20)
50=tu mute luka luka(2*20+5+5)
100= ali
200= tu ali
1 000= luka luka ali
2 000= mute ali
10 000= ali ali
100 000=luka luka ali ali
1 000 000= ali ali ali
wile la sina ken kepeken e nimi "pi"/ and of course you can use pi when it's necessary.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 11:59 am
by janKipo
When would 'pi' be needed, for what?
This introduces the usual ambiguities and is little help for real problems with numbers and numerals (no help for the latter at all). A thorough revision of this issue is still needed.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 1:11 pm
by jan Lapale
You need to use pi when there are ambiguities, doing that, you get rid of ambiguities.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 9:13 pm
by janSilipu
How will that work. 'pi' is not built to remove ambiguities, merely to establish certain structures.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:13 am
by jan Lapale
I don't find an example with "pi", but for instance, tomo telo nasa can mean strange bathroom or bar, but if you ad "pi"( tomo pi telo nasa) it only means one thing, so it removes ambiguities.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:02 pm
by janSilipu
But 'tomo telo nasa' doesn't mean "bar", Ther is no ambiguity. At best, someone who wanted to say "bar" made a mistake and left out the 'pi'.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:17 pm
by jan Lapale
By 'bar' I mean the place where you go to drink alcohol, so I think it's the right word.
And also, can you tell me the ambiguities my system would make?

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:47 am
by janSilipu
"bar" is a good English word for 'tomo pi telo nasa', but not for 'tomo telo nasa'.
I haven't studied your proposal beyond noting that it seems to leave all the problems of the present situation, while adding the semantic ambiguities of radically different meanings for 'mute', 'ali' (as I assume you mean rather than 'ala'). Sonja has proposed something along these lines as well, but the same objections apply.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:48 am
by janSilipu
"bar" is a good English word for 'tomo pi telo nasa', but not for 'tomo telo nasa'.
I haven't studied your proposal beyond noting that it seems to leave all the problems of the present situation, while adding the semantic ambiguities of radically different meanings for 'mute', 'ali' (as I assume you mean rather than 'ala'). Sonja has proposed something along these lines as well, but the same objections apply.

Re: nasin nanpa kepeken toki pona/How to count in toki pona

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:22 am
by jan Lapale
tenpo pini lili la mi wile toki e nimi "ale". nasin nanpa mi li tan nasin nanpa pi jan Mato.
Yes, I meant "ale". And my system is based on jan Mato's one.
http://tokipona.net/tp/Numbers.aspx