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Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

Postby janKipo » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:38 am

The problem wiht "eight states away' is that we have no tensors, only a few vectors ('tan' at the origin -- with "here" at the apex, and the mirror 'tawa'). "Through" would help here and 'nasin' looks a good candidate ("via" and all). I think this creative work is important, but it needs to be put into text, not just discussion. It is use that is the final criterion for being in the language.

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

Postby pisku » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:03 pm

I hope to get words for directions. <-left, -> right, up and down
also words for:
keep (save), put in-insert-cultivate
sphere,ball, globe ex= "?" + suli= planet (I think sike shold mean only circle, not and spheric thing)
machine, something artificial ex= sitelen + "?" (writing machine - tipyng machine) ex= kipisi + "?" (cutting machine)
vehicule, transport

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

Postby janKipo » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:34 pm

Yeah, directions have been a problem - aside from North and South (and those aren't entirely satisfying), We have "beside" but no way of saying which side when not in sight. "up, down, in front, behind, above, below" are all covered sorta (but "sorta"" is usually as good as it gets in a minimal language).
"Keep, save" is probably either 'awen jo' or the reverse or even just 'awen'.
"Planet" generally seems to be covered by 'mun'. 'sike', as you note, covers all things roundish in 2 and 3D (and this is not an obvious place to expand vocab.)
"machine" and tools in general are covered by 'ilo' (which, as a match with 'kepeken' could be eliminated -- or 'kepeken' could be).
Vehicles tend to be seen as constructions, 'tomo', with modifiers.
"Insert" or "puncture" or "poke" or "hit" (and these may be more than one), do seem like an area in need of some filling.
"cultivate" gets lost in general work, 'pali', though several extensions might make it clearer.
Most of what we have could be improved , I'm sure; and there are still areas where even more problems keep arising. More suggestions are always welcome, including ways to get around what currently seem to be problems.

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

Postby janKipo » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:07 pm

And, of course, they can't count what they have or boast about it, etc.
"I stopped the human end from death"? Seems roundabout if it gets there at all. 'mi weka e jan tan moli'
Well, mun are spheres, certainly, but I'm not sure the reverse holds: I think using 'mun' for a child's ball would be confusing (cute fairy tale aside).
tpans sound a little like Mayans and other C &S American civilizations (though they didn't even have the wheel).

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

Postby janMato » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:27 pm

Various canonical musings on mun:

http://en.tokipona.org/wiki/Talk:mun (for the formatted section)
http://en.tokipona.org/w/index.php?titl ... ction=edit (for the unformatted section)

In general the astronomy word phrases are science based and mostly inspired by science jargon used in English (internationally? not sure how widespread astronomy jargon is)

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

Postby janKipo » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:22 pm

'tenpo pimeja ni LA' 'mun' is basically any satellite of any body, preferably spherical and in a regular orbit. I'm not sure about comets, asteroids, small icy bodies, and the like.

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Re: Are there any words you've found yourself wanting?

Postby janMatelen » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:51 pm

I'm hoping for a way to express relative clauses other than "[NP] ni: [sentence]" (I'm a little obsessed with relative clauses). And a word for life would be nice.


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