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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan Ote » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:32 am

ike li suli mute sama ni: jan ali li pali e ike. ?

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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan lipakek » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:37 pm

o jan-ante.
sina jo e pilin pona tawa ijo. (You're right in a way???)
mi sitelen kepeken nimi lili tan ni: mi kepeken e toki pona. mi wile kepeken taso e toki pona. taso mi toki ike kepeken toki pona!
mi pilin e ni: tenpo mute la utala li ike.
jan Seki li jo ala e nasin utala lon insa ona. pali li ijo ike tawa ma Tosi li moli ala. jan Seki li wile awen lon ma sike suli. (they wanted to survive???)
mi pilin e ni: tenpo pini la ma ali li jo e ike ona. mi wile toki e ni: jan Seki li jan seme.

ona mute li toki musi e ni: toki wan pi Munich li ike Inli en ma jan pona tan ni: ona mute li sona e ni: ona li ike ala mi. ona mute li sona e ni: tan seme li kama.
They only say jokingly that the Munich agreement was the UK and allies fault because they know it's not my fault and they can understand why it happened.


mi toki e ni: 'mani li pona ala tawa ona mute. ona mute li wile e mani lili e ijo lili', mi wile toki e ni: mani en ijo jan li suli ala tawa ona mute. ala tan ni: tenpo pini la mi lon ma ante. ma ni li wile e mani e ijo.
When I said 'mani li pona ala tawa ona mute. ona mute li wile e mani lili e ijo lili', I wanted to say that money and personal possesions aren't so important to them, not compared to other countries I've lived in.

o jan-ante. sina tan ma seme?

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janKipo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:50 pm

'sina lon lili' "You are somewhat correct."
'kepeken e toki pona taso' "use only tp" = "use tp only" English (and perhaps other languages) are sloppy about this. (probably fussy)
'wile awen' is probably enough, 'wile awen lon' just to be on the safe side.
'mi wile toki e ni: jan Seki li jan seme?' "I want to ask what sort of people the Czechs are' ?
'ike pi jan Inli en ma pi jan pona ona' maybe 'ike mi ala'? (but "meine Unschuld"?) 'ona ken sona e tan ona.' but that is a muddle so, right, 'e ni: utala li kama tan seme' (a noun to break up the pronoun problem).
'mi toki e nimi '...' la mi wile...' 'mani en jo li suli lili tawa ona mute. mani en jo li suli mute tawa jan pi ma anteni: mi awen lon ma ni.' Comparatives are a pain.

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janMato » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:16 pm

janKipo wrote:There is evil (blame) enough for everybody, America too.


jan li pakala. jan li tan pakala. --- one makes mistakes, one is the cause of a mistake.

jan ale li jan pi tan pakala. -- everyone is the person of the cause of the mistake.

tan pakala li lon li suli li ike. tan ni li tan pi jan ale. The mistakes cause exists, is great and unpleasant. This cause is the cause of everyone.

The tawa construction triggers the "X likes Y" in my mind before anything else. And it seems blame should have a "tan" in there somewhere.

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janKipo » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:22 pm

Blame is typically blame for something, not from something, though I see the point .
Note that the "like" construction has 'pona' as a verb, in this it is modifier on 'mute'.

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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan lipakek » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:09 am

pona mute!
comparitives: ijo pona mute. ijo pona lili:

I'm better than him - mi pona mute, ona pona lili. ???
I like to study languages more than they do - lukin sona li pona mute tawa mi. lukin sona li pona lili tawa ona mute. ???
It's better to be safe than sorry - pali ala e pakala li pona mute. pali e pakala li pona lili. OR pilin pona li pona mute. pilin ike li pona lili. ???
You're the best.- sina pona mute. jan ante li pona lili. ???

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janMato » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:27 am

janKipo wrote:Blame is typically blame for something, not from something, though I see the point .
Note that the "like" construction has 'pona' as a verb, in this it is modifier on 'mute'.


I've been speculating on how people read toki pona-- we don't really read it like a context free grammar parser does, which assumes that all the words are in the right place and one must only deal with syntactic ambiguity (multiple accurate parse trees). We reparse it several times under the hypothesis that a mistake was made (obviously these alternatives are weighted based on an evaluation of the speaker), but at for me in English, I tend to mentally correct the English I hear subconsciously. So efficient speaking would require knowing that people will likely read it as a mistake, for example, at the opticians, the staff would be hard pressed to decide what the Optician meant when he says of the attractive young patient "meli li lukin pona" and would have to pick a longer phrase, like "oko meli li lukin pona e ijo lili."

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Re: nasin pona

Postby janKipo » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:24 pm

Jan Lupake o
No 'e' in noun phrases : either use pi -- which is obscure -- or rewrite.
This is from iPad which doesn't allow much revie. More later.

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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan Ote » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:14 am

jan lipakek wrote:You're the best.- sina pona mute. jan ante li pona lili. ???
Or
sina pona mute. jan ante li pona sama sina.

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Re: nasin pona

Postby jan lipakek » Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:29 am

jan Ote o.
'sina pona mute. jan ante li pona sama sina'. Doesn't that mean that everybody else is just as good as you?


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