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Re: nasin pona

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Thanks; I keep a file. And, like you, I am curious.
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jan Ote wrote: jan wan li sama pipi musi. jan ante li sama pipi pali. ni li lon ala lon? ni li lon.
mi toki ala pi ona tu. mi toki pi nasin mani
mi lukin e ni kepeken oko mi kin! tenpo suli pini la mi en jan Male li kama sona lon tomo sona. kulupu mama mi li jo e mani lili. kulupu mama pi jan Male li jo e mani lili. taso jan Male li wile kama sona li wile pali pona. ona li sona pali li sona mani li pali mute kin. tenpo li kama. tenpo suno ali la ona li pali mute li lape lili. ona li awen e mani ona.
mi toki ala e ni: jan li jo e mani la ona li jan mani. toki mi li ni: jan li tawa kk nasin mani la ona li jan mani. ken la nimi "jan pi nasin mani li pona mute. taso ona li jo a nimi 4.tenpo pini la jan pi tp li kk e nimi "jan mani" kin
tenpo suno ni la ona li jo e tomo esun mute lon ma tomo mi. ona li jo e tomo esun mute lon ma tomo ante.
tenpo ni la toki sina li seli e pilin mi. i couls say namako but this time i prefer to avoid this neologism and say seli nasin esun li wan pi nasin mani. ken la jan pona sina li ike tawa mi. tenpo ni la mi sona ala.
jan Male li jan mani anu jan seme? jan mani. ona li jan mani kin.
mi jo ala e pilin tawa ona. tan pi pilin mi li nasin ona
nasin mani li toki e ni: o mama e mani sin kk mani sina. mani la sama soweli unpa tawa nasin mani
jan Male li wile mani tan seme? ken la ona li wile pona e sijelo jan li wile pini e pakala pi sijelo jan. ni li pona. ken la ona li wile mani tawa mani sin. ni li ike.
jan Male li jan esun. taso tenpo ni la nasin esun li wan pi nasin mani. tenpo (pi) nanpa wan la jan esun li kama jo e kili pali tan jan pali wan li kk e pali lili e mani lili tawa ni. tenpo (pi) nanpa tu la ona li pana/esun e kili pali ni tawa jan pali ante li kama jo e mani mute tan ona. ona li mute e mani ona.

mani li mama e mani sin.
ona li mama e mani kin.
mani li sama soweli unpa
li sama pipi ike kin.

ni li nasin mani. ona li ike mute tawa mi tan ni: pipi ike li moku e kili pali jan.
tenpo suli la mi sona ala li toki ala e ni: sina jan pi nimi namako 'jan ante' anu jan pi nimi Losi "Andrei"?
I'm curious: is 'jan-ante' just a login-name meaning "other man" or is it "jan Ante" (Andrei or whatever jan-ante wants to stand behind this name)?
. нет. Алексей. after learning tp i wanted to join to some community to practice tp. i looked through LJ group, through russian esperantist forum (it has a few topics on tp, mainly critical) and saw that people use name "jan****". i wanted some smart name in this style and found that "jan ante" is a good one. i made an account in LJ, but he replased the space with dash. when i joined this forum i kept my old dash-style
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Re: nasin pona

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janKipo wrote:kin la nimi seme li nimi lon monsi pi nimi 'Ote'?
that's a calque.
nimi sina pi toki pona li "jan ote" la nimi sina Posuka li seme? nimi "Wojtek" li ona
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jan lipakek wrote: mi sitelen e toki ante kepeken toki Inli nanpa tu - They do it only for symbolic reasons (to keep allies happy etc.)
you could say: ona li moli ala e jan. ona li nasa taso e jan Mewika
i could say: ni li ike: jan Mewika li nasa ala sama ni. jan li kulupu poka ona la ona li kama e jan ni tawa nasin ona. tan ni la jan Seki li kin moli e jan ante
jan Dalai Lama en ma Tibet li utala ala. tan ni la ona mute li jo ala e ma. taso mi pilin e ni: lon sama jan Dalai Lama li pona mute tawa mi. tenpo kama la jan ante li ken lukin e jan Dalai Lama li pilin pona sama ona. kama la jan ali li ken lon sama ona.
mi pilin pona ala tawa jan Dalai tan ni: ona li jan pi toki taso. ona li pali ala. taso jan Sonka li pali mute. ken la jan Gandi li pona kin tawa sina. taso ona li pail kin.
mi pilin e ni: tenpo mute anu tenpo ali la utala li lawa tawa utala mute.
mi pilin ante. tenpo pini la jan Sowijeto li utala e jan Hitler li anpa e ona. utala jan li kama lili tan ni
I wanted to talk aout the Czech way of thinking rather than the government's.
well, to me nasin lawa=method of ruling=politics
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Yes, it is a calque; sorry 'bout that.
Throughout, I worry about using 'mute' as a comparative 'more', rather than an absolute 'much, many'. I suspect that this is going to happen in tp as time goes on, but it ain't official yet (official comparatives in tp are just too complex).
mi pilin e ni: jan TalajoLama li pali e ante. ona li toki tawa jan pali en jan lawa. ona toki e ni: jan li wile utala ala li wile awen kulupu li pona tawa ma ali. pali ni li pona tawa mi.
mani kin li pona tawa mi tan ni: mi ken pana e pona tawa jan ante pakala. taso ni li jaki tawa mi: jan li kama jo e mani tan mani taso.
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janKipo wrote: Throughout, I worry about using 'mute' as a comparative 'more', rather than an absolute 'much, many'.
but in tp philosofy it is always comparative: ken la ni li mute tawa sina. taso ken la ona li lili tawa mi
ona toki e ni: jan li wile utala ala li wile awen kulupu li pona tawa ma ali.
i suppose you expected to place la somewhere in this sentence
mani kin li pona tawa mi tan ni: mi ken pana e pona tawa jan ante pakala.
sina li kk ala e mani la sine ken kin pana e pona tawa jan ante. pali jan li tan pi pona ale
taso ni li jaki tawa mi: jan li kama jo e mani tan mani taso.
ni li nasin mani. tenpo mute ni li lon: sina lon kulupu pi nasin mani la sina ken ala tawa lon nasin ante
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I suppose 'tenpo mute la'
Well, 'mute' (and everything else in tp) is relative to the speaker's point of view, but not comparative necessarily (more or less, rather than my many and your few). The usage I questioned was just using 'mute' to mean "more" (than before, presumably).
There was no 'la' intended in the sentence; it is a string of predications conjoined.
I wonder how to say "even if... still" Your 'la...kin" seems close but I feel the need for more.
mani mi li awen e pali mi pi tenpo pini. mi sin ala li suli mute. tan ni la pana mani li pona mute. pali li pona lili. mi kepeken e nasin mani tawa ni: mani pi tan pali mi li awen li mute. tan ni la tenpo ni la mi ken pali e mute tawa jan ante.
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if you want to have my respond, please quote me like this:
janKipo wrote:I suppose 'tenpo mute la'
then double la. you used it for A=>(B=>C) below.
ni li pona tawa mi tu taso: jan ante mute li kepeken e nasin ante
Well, 'mute' (and everything else in tp) is relative to the speaker's point of view, but not comparative necessarily (more or less, rather than my many and your few). The usage I questioned was just using 'mute' to mean "more" (than before, presumably).
not comparative necessarily, but could be. why not?
There was no 'la' intended in the sentence; it is a string of predications conjoined.
then you mena:
he (Dalai) say: human(s) dont want to struggle, want to stay in society, want a good for all the world.
toki ni li nasa. taso mi pilin nasa ala tan sona ni: toki ni li toki pi jan Dalai
mani mi li awen e pali mi pi tenpo pini. mi sin ala li suli mute. tan ni la pana mani li pona mute. pali li pona lili. mi kepeken e nasin mani tawa ni: mani pi tan pali mi li awen li mute. tan ni la tenpo ni la mi ken pali e mute tawa jan ante.
taso sina ken kama jo(esun ) e tomo li toki e ni: "jan o awen lon tomo ni. tenpo mun wan li tawa la sina o pana e wan mani tawa mi" ni li kama lon la sina jo e mani tawa moku sina. mani sina li kama mute sama tenpo sina. ona li kama ala mute sama soweli unpa. sina moli la jan lili sina li kama jo e tomo ni li ken ante (esun) e ona tawa mani. sina pana e mani tawa tomo mani la ona li kama mute sama soweli unpa. soweli ike ni li moku e kili pali pi jan ante
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jan-ante wrote:if you want to have my respond, please quote me like this:
janKipo wrote:I suppose 'tenpo mute la'
then double la. you used it for A=>(B=>C) below.
ni li pona tawa mi tu taso: jan ante mute li kepeken e nasin ante
kepeken pi nimi 'la' tu li ike ala tempo la on a li wile.
kepeken pi nimi pi toki ante li pona ala tawa mi.
Well, 'mute' (and everything else in tp) is relative to the speaker's point of view, but not comparative necessarily (more or less, rather than my many and your few). The usage I questioned was just using 'mute' to mean "more" (than before, presumably).
not comparative necessarily, but could be. why not?
Because it is explicitly rejected (I think in the pije textbook) mi pilin e ni: nasin ni li kama lon toki pona anu nasin sama.
There was no 'la' intended in the sentence; it is a string of predications conjoined.
then you mena:
he (Dalai) say: human(s) dont want to struggle, want to stay in society, want a good for all the world.
toki ni li nasa. taso mi pilin nasa ala tan sona ni: toki ni li toki pi jan Dalai
I would say "should" rather than "want to", but basically yes, that is what I take the DL to be saying (along with many other religious leaders of all sorts). And it sounds about right to me.
mani mi li awen e pali mi pi tenpo pini. mi sin ala li suli mute. tan ni la pana mani li pona mute. pali li pona lili. mi kepeken e nasin mani tawa ni: mani pi tan pali mi li awen li mute. tan ni la tenpo ni la mi ken pali e mute tawa jan ante.
taso sina ken kama jo(esun ) e tomo li toki e ni: "jan o awen lon tomo ni. tenpo mun wan li tawa la sina o pana e wan mani tawa mi" ni li kama lon la sina jo e mani tawa moku sina. mani sina li kama mute sama tenpo sina. ona li kama ala mute sama soweli unpa. sina moli la jan lili sina li kama jo e tomo ni li ken ante (esun) e ona tawa mani. sina pana e mani tawa tomo mani la ona li kama mute sama soweli unpa. soweli ike ni li moku e kili pali pi jan ante
taso mi kama jo e mani tan tomo la mi kin moku e pali pi jan ni. toki pona li toki ala tawa toki utala pi nasin mani. nasin mani li ilo taso: jan li kepeken e ona tawa ike la ona li ike. sama la pona. tawa pi nasin mani li mani mute. taso nasin ni li toki ala e ni: jan li kepeken e mani ni tawa seme.
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Re: nasin pona

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jan-ante wrote:ona [mani] li kama ala mute sama soweli unpa
"sama soweli unpa" - a a a! pona mute.
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