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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby janTepanNetaPelin » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:55 pm

gbnmvfx wrote:
janKipo wrote:mi la lon. pu la ala. o kepeken ona.


mi kepeken pu. sina wile toki e seme?


jan Kipo li jan pona ala pi lipu suli pi toki pona. tan ni la ona li wile toki e ni: o weka e lipu suli pi toki pona. o kepeken nasin toki pi jan Kipo.

("pu" ≠ "lipu")
("pu" = "kepeken lipu suli pi toki pona")
https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona (mi sitelen e lipu ni pi toki pona)
mi jan Tepan. mi pu. mi weka e jan nasa Kipo e jan nasa Lope.

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby janKipo » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:21 pm

Well, we probably disagree about what sites are important. I don’t count Lope’s, or Tepan’s, for that matter, snce they tend to ignore what is happening on the active site and the sites used by long-time tokiponists. But that is subjective, I suppose.
I try, as much as possible, to stick to the toki pona people actually use on the public sites (the closed groups are harder to check). When I go off on my own ideas -- as I do fairly often -- I try to label them clearly as such (Lope -- and Tepan -- are not so obliging). Sonja’s book is woefully incomplete, even when supplemented by Pije, so there is room for various reasonable means to fill various gaps. I try to make minimal changes and to put them to the test of usage before I come down hard on their correctness (and even then that is tentative).
He is right, of course, the ‘pu’ is not, in fact, the toki pona name of “Toki Pona, the language of good” . It is a bit of English slang which has (unfortunately) slipped over into tp and is regularly understood. There is not handy substitute except “lipu pi jan Sonja’ which isn’t all that handy, either.

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby gbnmvfx » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:11 am

janTepanNetaPelin wrote:
gbnmvfx wrote:
janKipo wrote:mi la lon. pu la ala. o kepeken ona.


mi kepeken pu. sina wile toki e seme?


jan Kipo li jan pona ala pi lipu suli pi toki pona. tan ni la ona li wile toki e ni: o weka e lipu suli pi toki pona. o kepeken nasin toki pi jan Kipo.

("pu" ≠ "lipu")
("pu" = "kepeken lipu suli pi toki pona")


pona!

jan Kipo o, mi wile toki kepeken lipu pi jan Sonja. jan Sonja li toki lon kulupu seme?

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby janKipo » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:19 am

a jan ali li toki e ni: ona li pu. ni li sona e ni: ona li pali e toki pi jan Sonja. taso tenpo la jan ali li pu ala tan ni: jan Sonja li toki ala e ijo ali. ijo ante li kama la jan li wile pali e ijo. taso ijo ni li ken ala ijo pi toki pi jan Sonja. tan ni la ona li pali ante. ken la ona li pali e ijo pi tan lawa ona taso. ken la ona li kulupu e jan pi toki pona li pali e toki ona. o kulupu ni li kama lukin e nasin pi sama nasin pi toki pona. tenpo la jan Sonja kin li pali e ijo ante pi toki sama. tenpo la toki pi jan Sonja li nasa. tan ni la sina wile ala pali e toki pi jan Sonja lon tenpo ali. o lukin e ilo Pepu tawa ni: sina lukin e nasin pi jan ante pi tawa ijo pi toki ala pi jan Sonja. anu o lukin e lipu pi jan Lope anu jan Tepan tawa ni: sina lukin e nasin pi jan wan taso.

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby gbnmvfx » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:44 am

mi pilin e ni: mi wile toki kepeken lipu pi jan Sonja. taso mi kama sona e nasin ante la mi ken sona e toki ante.
mi ante e pakala li sitelen e toki sin.

1. jan Puluma en jan Sonoku
tenpo pini mute la jan Sonoku li tawa lon ma nena. ona li wawa li utala e kasi suli. ona li wile moku. tenpo ni la jan Puluma li kama kepeken tomo tawa. ilo lili li lawa e ona tawa jan Sonoku. jan Sonoku li alasa e kala suli. kala ni li wile moku e jan Sonoku. taso mije li utala e kala kepeken noka ona. ona li moli e kala li tawa tomo ona. ona li pilin pona. jan Puluma li lukin e jan Sonoku li pini e tawa mute. jan Sonoku li pilin ike tan ni: ona li lukin e toma tawa. jan Sonoku li sewi e toma tawa li tawa e toma tawa lon kon. jan Puluma li utala e mije kepeken ilo moli. taso jan Sonoku li kama moli ala li pilin ike. jan Puluma li pilin ike la ona li weka e ilo moli li sewi e luka ona. jan Sonoku li lukin mute e jan Puluma. jan Puluma li ante li wawa ala. jan Sonoku li lukin e meli nanpa wan. meli li pilin e ni: palisa monsi pi jan Sonoku li nasa. ona tu li tawa tomo pi jan Sonoku. meli li lukin e sike pi jan Sonoku pi akesi waso. mije li kama sona e ni: meli li jo e sike tu li alasa e sike ante. jan li wan e sike luka tu la akesi waso Henlon li kama. jan Puluma li wile jo e sike pi jan Sonoku. taso jan Sonoku li awen e sike ni. mile li wile esun e sike. taso mije li awen kin li sike ona. tenpo ni la mile li wile e ni: jan Sonoku li alasa lon poka pi jan Puluma. mile li open poki lili. tomo tawa li kama tan poki lili ni. ona tu li tawa sike ante pi akesi waso kepeken tomo tawa. tenpo kama lili la jan Puluma li pini e tawa tan ni: ona li wile pana e telo jelo. akesi waso ike li lukin e jan Puluma li wile moku e mile ni. taso jan Sonoku li moli e akesi ni kepeken palisa moli ona. ona tu li tawa sike ante.

2. sike ala
tenpo pimeja la jan Puluma li pini e tawa. ona li open poki lili. tomo li kama tan poki lili ni. jan Sonoku li lukin e ilo suno wan e ilo wan pi sitelen tawa. mile li telo e mije. mile li kama sone e ni: palisa monsi pi jan Sonoku li len ala li sama e luka. jan Puluma li telo e ona. ona tu li moku. tenpo lili la mile li wile ala moku. taso mije li wile moku. jan Sonoku li alasa e soweli li seli e soweli ni li moku e soweli ni. jan Puluma li kama sona e ni: jan Sonoku li sona ala e mama ona. mama pi jan Sonoku li weka e jan Sonoku. jan Sonoku li lon poka pi jan suli ante. ona tu li lape. tenpo suno kama la jan Sonoku li lukin e jan Puluma lape. mije li kama sona e ni: mile li jo ala e sike mije tu.

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby janKipo » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:59 pm

gbnmvfx wrote:mi pilin e ni: mi wile toki kepeken lipu pi jan Sonja. taso mi kama sona e nasin ante la mi ken sona e toki ante.
mi ante e pakala li sitelen e toki sin.

1. jan Puluma en jan Sonoku
tenpo pini mute la jan Sonoku li tawa lon ma nena. ona li wawa li utala e kasi suli. ona li wile moku. tenpo ni la jan Puluma li kama kepeken tomo tawa. ilo lili li lawa e ona tawa jan Sonoku. jan Sonoku li alasa e kala suli. kala ni li wile moku e jan Sonoku. taso mije li utala e kala kepeken noka ona. ona li moli e kala li tawa tomo ona. ona li pilin pona. jan Puluma li lukin e jan Sonoku li pini e tawa mute. jan Sonoku li pilin ike tan ni: ona li lukin e toma tawa. jan Sonoku li sewi e toma [tomo] tawa li tawa e toma tawa lon kon. jan Puluma li utala e mije kepeken ilo moli. taso jan Sonoku li kama moli ala li pilin ike. jan Puluma li pilin ike la ona li weka e ilo moli li sewi e luka ona. jan Sonoku li lukin mute e jan Puluma. jan Puluma li ante li wawa ala. jan Sonoku li lukin e meli nanpa wan. meli li pilin e ni: palisa monsi pi jan Sonoku li nasa. ona tu li tawa tomo pi jan Sonoku. meli li lukin e sike pi jan Sonoku pi akesi waso [prob clearer as ’sike pi akesi waso pi jan Sonoku’ but that is disputable]. mije li kama sona e ni: meli li jo e sike tu li alasa e sike ante. jan li wan e sike luka tu la akesi waso Henlon li kama. jan Puluma li wile jo e sike pi jan Sonoku. taso jan Sonoku li awen e sike ni. mile li wile esun [‘kama jo esun’ is safer] e sike. taso mije li awen kin li sike ona. tenpo ni la mile [mije? meli?] li wile e ni: jan Sonoku li alasa lon poka pi jan Puluma. mile [ditto, now getting more likely ‘meli’] li open E poki lili. tomo tawa li kama tan poki lili ni. ona tu [lost track of which two] li tawa sike ante pi akesi waso kepeken tomo tawa. tenpo kama lili la jan Puluma li pini e tawa tan ni: ona li wile pana e telo jelo. akesi waso ike li lukin e jan Puluma li wile moku e mile [?] ni. taso jan Sonoku li moli e akesi ni kepeken palisa moli ona. ona tu li tawa sike ante.

2. sike ala
tenpo pimeja la jan Puluma li pini e tawa. ona li open E poki lili. tomo li kama tan poki lili ni. jan Sonoku li lukin e ilo suno wan e ilo wan pi sitelen tawa. mile [?] li telo e mije. mile [?] li kama sone [sona] e ni: palisa monsi pi jan Sonoku li len ala li sama [e] luka. jan Puluma li telo e ona. ona tu li moku. tenpo lili la mile [?] li wile ala moku. taso mije li wile moku. jan Sonoku li alasa e soweli li seli e soweli ni li moku e soweli ni. jan Puluma li kama sona e ni: jan Sonoku li sona ala e mama ona. mama pi jan Sonoku li weka e jan Sonoku. jan Sonoku li lon poka pi jan suli ante. ona tu li lape. tenpo suno kama la jan Sonoku li lukin e jan Puluma lape. mije li kama sona e ni: mile [?] li jo ala e sike mije tu.

Wait! is Puluma female? If so, much of the remaining confusion sorta disappears as it is mainly about whether it is Puluma or the female that is involved. Mentioning this early on would help, unless it is somehow a surprise at some point.
Although there are not really a lot of changes, the whole story has become much clearer, the noted problem aside.

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby gbnmvfx » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:31 pm

pona! mi kepeken nimi ike "mile". mi pona e pakala. taso mi pona e pakala ale tan ni: pakala mute li pakala tawa sina. taso pakala ni li pakala ala tawa mi. nimi mute "sike pi akesi waso" li pona ala pona tawa sina?

sike pi akesi waso - sona weka pi sike ni
jan "Akira Toriyama" pali e ni.

1. jan Puluma en jan Sonoku
tenpo pini mute la jan Sonoku li tawa lon ma nena. ona li mije. ona li wawa li utala e kasi suli. ona li wile moku. tenpo ni la jan Puluma li kama kepeken tomo tawa. ilo lili li lawa e ona tawa jan Sonoku. jan Sonoku li alasa e kala suli. kala ni li wile moku e jan Sonoku. taso mije li utala e kala kepeken noka ona. ona li moli e kala li tawa tomo ona. ona li pilin pona. jan Puluma li lukin e jan Sonoku li pini e tawa mute. jan Sonoku li pilin ike tan ni: ona li lukin e tomo tawa. jan Sonoku li sewi e toma tawa li tawa e toma tawa lon kon. jan Puluma li utala e mije kepeken ilo moli. taso jan Sonoku li kama moli ala li pilin ike. jan Puluma li pilin ike la ona li weka e ilo moli li sewi e luka ona. jan Sonoku li lukin mute e jan Puluma. jan Puluma li ante li wawa ala. jan Puluma li meli. jan Sonoku li lukin e meli nanpa wan. meli li pilin e ni: palisa monsi pi jan Sonoku li nasa. ona tu li tawa tomo pi jan Sonoku. meli li lukin e sike pi akesi waso pi jan Sonoku. mije li kama sona e ni: meli li jo e sike tu li alasa e sike ante. jan li wan e sike luka tu la akesi waso Henlon li kama. jan Puluma li wile jo e sike pi jan Sonoku. taso jan Sonoku li awen e sike ni. meli li wile kama jo esun e sike. taso mije li awen kin e sike ona. tenpo ni la meli li wile e ni: jan Sonoku li alasa lon poka pi jan Puluma. meli li open e poki lili. tomo tawa li kama tan poki lili ni. ona tu li tawa sike ante pi akesi waso kepeken tomo tawa. tenpo kama lili la jan Puluma li pini e tawa tan ni: ona li wile pana e telo jelo. akesi waso ike li lukin e jan Puluma li wile moku e meli ni. taso jan Sonoku li moli e akesi ni kepeken palisa moli ona. ona tu li tawa sike ante.

2. sike ala
tenpo pimeja la jan Puluma li pini e tawa. ona li open e poki lili. tomo li kama tan poki lili ni. jan Sonoku li lukin e ilo suno wan e ilo wan pi sitelen tawa. meli li telo e mije. meli li kama sona e ni: palisa monsi pi jan Sonoku li len ala li sama luka. jan Puluma li telo e ona. ona tu li moku. tenpo lili la meli li wile ala moku. taso mije li wile moku. jan Sonoku li alasa e soweli li seli e soweli ni li moku e soweli ni. jan Puluma li kama sona e ni: jan Sonoku li sona ala e mama ona. mama pi jan Sonoku li weka e jan Sonoku. jan Sonoku li lon poka pi jan suli ante. ona tu li lape. tenpo suno kama la jan Sonoku li lukin e jan Puluma lape. mije li kama sona e ni: meli li jo ala e sike mije tu.

3. nasin tawa telo suli
jan Puluma li moku e telo seli wawa. jan Sonoku li moku ala e telo seli wawa tan ni: telo seli wawa li ike tawa jan Sonoku. mije ni li pakala e kiwen suli. ona li sewi e kiwen ante. taso kiwen ni li sama ala kiwen. ni li akesi. tenpo pini la akesi ni li alasa e kasi. tenpo ni la akesi li wile tawa telo suli. taso ona li sona ala e nasin. jan Sonoku li sewi e akesi li tawa telo suli. jan Puluma li wile ala tawa telo suli. taso ona li pilin ike tan akesi suli ike. meli li tawa lon poka pi jan Sonoku.

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby janKipo » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:31 pm

nimi ‘sike pi akesi waso’ li pona.
What of my errors (mainly, I hope, word choices) don’t you like?

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby gbnmvfx » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:26 pm

I am not going to continue learning toki pona. bye

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Re: sike pi akesi waso

Postby janKipo » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:02 pm

mi pilin ike tan ni. sina toki pona keeken toki pona. kin la mi wile lukin e pini pi toki sina.
tawa pona.


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