nasin mute

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nasin mute

Postby jan Pilo » Sat May 21, 2016 1:55 pm

kute mi la ma mute la mi mute li lon.
ken mute la tan uta ante la mi pana e kon.
kepeken nasin mute la mi moku e pan.
taso ...
kon ni li lon sewi ali jan :
kon sewi laso li wan taso.
kepeken nasin mute la mi mute li wan.
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Re: nasin mute

Postby janKipo » Sat May 21, 2016 3:46 pm

"By rumor, in many countries, we exist.
In many possibilities, from many mouths, I exhale.
In many ways, I eat bread.
But
This breath is completely above human beings.
The blue sky is only one.
In many ways, we are one."

I don't particularly understand it, but it seems okay grammatically. poetry problems again, I suspect.

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Re: nasin mute

Postby jan Pilo » Sat May 21, 2016 6:52 pm

I would say
"As I hear, there are many countries that we live in.
Probably it is from different mouths that we/ I breath out (Probably it is because of various mouths that we give a breath.).."
The rest as yours, except more specifically:
"kepeken nasin mute" : "using many ways / methods / styles" or just "through many ways"
"mi" in its more general sense may also mean "mi mute".
"rumor" not here, there are many other contexts and meanings of hearing.

The text form was a result of consensus between gramar and funny repetitions of sounds plus stress rhythm. The third factor: precision of thought, was less important this time.
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Re: nasin mute

Postby jan Pilo » Sat May 21, 2016 7:01 pm

Or "It is this air that is above all the humans (the whole of people) : the blue sky, which is only one"
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Re: nasin mute

Postby jan Pilo » Sat May 21, 2016 7:02 pm

Or "It is this air that is above all the humans (the whole of people) : the blue sky, which is only one"
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Re: nasin mute

Postby janKipo » Sat May 21, 2016 7:31 pm

Stomping gracelessly on poesy:
I am not sure "according to my hearing" really works, "in what I hear" maybe. It is a new expressions and doesn't fit smoothly with earlier patterns yet.
I think that if you want the 'ma mute' to be where we live you need 'ona' after 'lon", but again that is fussiness, given the way objects of PPs move to the front in other cases.
I haven't internalized 'ken mute' yet.
'kon' alone works for "breathe'
the 'mi/mi mute' alternation sets up a distinction between the two. probably best to stick with just one.
'kute la' is standard for "I hear that" in the sense of "this is gossips/hearsay" unattributable information of unknown reliability.
'lon sewi pi ali jan' (or 'jan ali'?) 'sewi' is a noun here.
Don't get the effect of the "It is the ... that is ..." construction easily in tp and I suspect the effort will screw up other things that may be more important.

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Re: nasin mute

Postby jan Pilo » Sun May 22, 2016 2:27 pm

I wonder why senses are treated differently.
'kute la' is to suggest a link with gossip whereas 'luking la' doesn't even give a hint on paparazzi. Every sense can give a wrong information. You see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears. Indirect knowledge can come through seeing as well (movies, pictures, written notes). "Gossip" is not only indirect, but suggests a negative judgement (or maybe just for me)
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Re: nasin mute

Postby janKipo » Sun May 22, 2016 4:32 pm

'lukin la' means "obviously, clearly", very much the opposite spin. I suspect it is much as you suggest: we get first-hand information by seeing, but much less often by hearing. To be sure, we get most of our bad information by seeing, too, but we tend to overlook that.

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Re: nasin mute

Postby jan Pilo » Sun May 22, 2016 4:44 pm

I think that it's risky to go too far in implications of the channel of perception.
I haven't seen Australia, but I've heard about it. The lack of "lukin" and presence of "kute" doesn't mean that the information is not worth believing. Moreover, now there are many visual memes that create a virtual reality.
As usual we would need more context
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Re: nasin mute

Postby janKipo » Sun May 22, 2016 6:13 pm

But, of course, the whole point of idioms is that we can use them when we have no context. They may be silly or worse, but they get us through until we have a community to build upon.


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