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musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:44 pm
by Mako
musi pi sike suno sin

ko lete li pana e sike suno sin.
ko li kama anpa la ona li kama telo kiwen.
jan li ken ala lukin e telo.
jan li ken ala kama pi sike suno sin.
ken la sike suno li pona.
ken la ona li ike.
mi mute li ken ala sona.
mi wile pali e seme?
mi wile lukin e sike suno sin
mi mute li jo e pilin pona tawa ona.

A Poem for the New Year

Snow brings in the New Year.
The fallen snow changes into ice.
One cannot see the ice, like things of the New Year.
Perhaps it will be good.
Perhaps it will be bad.
We cannot know.
What ought I to do?
I must face the New Year,
We must have hope for it.

Re: musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:38 pm
by janKipo
I think I got you and Mato mixed up again Very sorry!
'sike suno' is standard for year, 'sike ma' would be a Ptolemaic day, I guess, btw, tp seems to love alliterations like 'sike suno sin'.
As noted elsewhere 'ko li [kama] anpa la one li kama telo lete.'
Not clear what "see the water like the things of the new year" is meant to mean. Oh, right, I suspect that "like the things of the new year" is more complex than just 'sama' but I don't know just what (I think it is the old schoolmarm like/as distinction: we cannot see the ice, just as we cannot see the future, but tha dies nothing toward telling me how to do it 'kama', events, might be clearer than 'ijo'.). Ice is 'telo kiwen' or something to distinguish it from plain water -- which we can/t see either, of course,
The rest is fine except for the uncertainty of where the 'pona' goes with 'pilin'

Re: musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:07 pm
by Mako

Re: musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:16 pm
by janMato

Re: musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:43 pm
by janLuka
I don't think that by speaking toki pona we have to pretend we're primitive people who don't know that the Earth orbits the Sun. We're supposed to simplify our thinking, but that doesn't mean actually pretending we're not familiar with science, technology and modern society. toki pona is also not necessarily very similar to the languages of "primitive" people, nor is it intended to be.

That said, we use plenty of geocentric expressions in English: "the sun is going down." Instead, we should really say "The side of the Earth on which we live is turning away from the Sun."

I think it comes down to whichever feels natural. I prefer "sike e suno." If you are a toki pona speaker with a different worldview, you might express it differently.

Re: musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:21 am
by janMato

Re: musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:07 pm
by Mako
jan Mato! sitelen sina li pona tawa mi. tenpo ale la mi wile sitelen e toki pona pona. pali pi toki sin li pona tawa mi!

Re: musi pi sike ma sin

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:34 am
by janLuka