jan soweli tawa jan ilo!

[janMato]

Monkey vs Robot.

jan soweli li musi lon ma pi kasi suli,
jan ilo li pali lon tomo pali pi ijo sin,
soweli en jan li utala pi wawa mute e sama,
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!

Monkey play in the jungle,
Robot work in the factory,
They will have a giant rumble,
Monkey Versus Robot!
Monkey Versus Robot!

sona ilo li ike tawa jan soweli,
jan soweli li ike tawa jan ilo,
ona tu li utala tawa tempo kama pi pini ala,
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!

Monkey hate technology,
Robot hate the monkey,
They will fight eternally,
Monkey Versus Robot!
Monkey Versus Robot!

soweli li unpa lon ma pi kasi suli,
jan ilo li unpa sama lon tomo pali pi ijo sin,
ona tu li olin e mama sin,
seme tan li tan ni: ona tu li ike tawa sama tu?

Monkey mate in the jungle,
Robot replicate in factory,
They both love their mother,
Why must they hate each other,

seme tan li tan ni: ale li pali wan* e sama ale?
ni li ike ala ike?
seme tan li tan ni: ale li olin e sama ale?
jan sama pi jan soweli en jan sama pi jan ilo,

Why cant we all get along?
Would that be oh so wrong?
Why cant we all love eachother?
Monkey and a robot brother.

jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!

Monkey Versus Robot!
Monkey Versus Robot!
Monkey Versus Robot!
Monkey Versus Robot!


**(see NATO-style alphabet below)
soweli-oko-wawa-esun-luka-insa! jan soweli!
jaki-akesi-nasin-insa-luka-oko! jan ilo!
soweli-oko-wawa-esun-luka-insa! jan soweli!
jaki-akesi-nasin-insa-luka-oko! jan ilo!
soweli-oko-wawa-esun-luka-insa! jan soweli!
jaki-akesi-nasin-insa-luka-oko! jan ilo!

M-O-N-K-E-Y!, Monkey!
R-O-B-O-T!, Robot!
M-O-N-K-E-Y!, Monkey!
R-O-B-O-T!, Robot!
M-O-N-K-E-Y!, Monkey!
R-O-B-O-T!, Robot!
M-O-N-K-E-Y!, Monkey!
R-O-B-O-T!, Robot!


* pali wan-- work as one
* unpa sama-- replicate

**
a - akesi
e - esun
i - insa
j - jaki
k - kala
l - luka
m - moku
n - nasin
o - oko
p - palisa
s - soweli
t - toki
u - unpa
w - wawa

[janKipo]

Monkey vs Robot.

jan soweli li musi lon ma pi kasi suli,
jan ilo li pali lon tomo pali pi ijo sin,
soweli en jan li utala pi wawa mute e sama,

'soweli en ilo' to keep the parallelism or just 'ona tu' not sure much changes if you drop the 'pi'.

jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!

Grammar obscure here (as it is in English). Not sure about 'tawa' for "versus, against" -- it still seems to be the default preposition and that ain't good. Don't what to use, although 'utala' seems an obvious choice. Indeed, 'jan soweli li utala e jan ilo' gets rid of all the problems.

sona ilo li ike tawa jan soweli,
jan soweli li ike tawa jan ilo,
ona tu li utala tawa tempo kama pi pini ala,
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!

soweli li unpa lon ma pi kasi suli,
jan ilo li unpa sama lon tomo pali pi ijo sin,
ona tu li olin e mama sin,
seme tan li tan ni: ona tu li ike tawa sama tu?

Ooof! 'unpa sama' sounds more like onanism (as not practiced by Onan) than reproduction. 'pali e sama lili'? Not very good. Ideas?
'tan seme' for "why?" The question is not answered, so the 'tan ni' has no place.
Then the 'sama' problem. In the first cases, each has to love its own mama, which may or may not work with 'ona tu' as subject. In the second, each has to hate the other (and not itself, presumably) and that seems less likely to work with 'sama' (because the other works, partly). With one device, it is hard to see how to do all this. I suppose we could (should?) divide.

seme tan li tan ni: ale li pali wan* e sama ale?

'tan seme' suggests that all do work as one, which is the opposite of the case. And do they, in any case, make everything the same? (i.e., why 'e sama ale')

ni li ike ala ike?
seme tan li tan ni: ale li olin e sama ale?
jan sama pi jan soweli en jan sama pi jan ilo,

I take the first question to be rhetorical and also the reasons why we don't get along may be different from those why we can't.
Don't really need the 'sama' in line 3. See above on 'tan seme'
Why not just 'jan soweli en jan ilo li jan sama'

jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!
jan soweli tawa jan ilo!

See above

a - akesi
e - esun
i - insa
j - jaki
k - kala
l - luka
m - moku
n - nasin
o - oko
p - palisa
s - soweli
t - toki
u - unpa
w - wawa

Not wild about this idea, but it seems inevitable and this looks about as differentiated as we can get with our word stock.

[jan Josan]

soweli-oko-wawa-esun-luka-insa! jan soweli!
jaki-akesi-nasin-insa-luka-oko! jan ilo!
soweli-oko-wawa-esun-luka-insa! jan soweli!
jaki-akesi-nasin-insa-luka-oko! jan ilo!
soweli-oko-wawa-esun-luka-insa! jan soweli!
jaki-akesi-nasin-insa-luka-oko! jan ilo!

for the brevity of the original, maybe you could try something like this:
sa-on-wa-en-la-in! jan soweli!
ja-an-na-in-la-on! jan ilo!

I remember back in the day Sonja had a pole about if the letters should have names...I can't remember the results.

[janMato]

I remember back in the day Sonja had a pole about if the letters should have names...I can't remember the results.

Yeah I saw that. The (nominally private) jansona forum has been spidered by the google bot and is displaying the cached version without authentication. I'd tell Sonja but I don't want to distract her from her craft. Since it was not intended to be public and no decision was announced, I'm not going to use it--risk of becoming archaic is too high.

First it was eponyms. mi tawa e tomo tawa mi lon tawa Makadamu. (I drive my car on MacAdam roads)
Then it was loan words. mi pona e uta mi kepeken telo pi nimi "Laporis" pi toki Inli, I wash my mouth Lavoris.
Acronyms are upon us. *mi kepeken i.p.n.m. (ej-pej-en-em, ilo pi nanpa mute) I use an IBM PC.
Are portmanteaus next? mi wilunpa ala ni! I (strongly) hope not!

[janKipo]

Actually, portmanteau are way old, Rejected of course, but already discussed in my first paper at an LCC, based on some early suggestions ('jan pona' becoming 'janpona', i.e., "yAmpona"). Trying for a Loglan/Lojban morphology sorta ruined that, but other ideas have been around.