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by janKipo
Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:36 pm
Forum: musi
Topic: Dilbert en tenpo suno pi kama sin pi jan Kolisu
Replies: 14
Views: 10047

Re: Dilbert en tenpo suno pi kama sin pi jan Kolisu

Or
'o suno li lon' "Let light exist" I find it odd to address light before it exists, so I go with this version. Fussy!

Similarly,
o tenpo sin pi sike suno li pona (tawa sina)

This use of 'o' owes a lot, I think, to Esperanto -u verbs, if you understand them (I don't think I do).
by janKipo
Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:30 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Sentence Confusion
Replies: 3
Views: 3570

Re: Sentence Confusion

open la o kama pona tawa toki pona, jan laso lili o. nanpa tu la tenpo mute la jan Ote en jan Mato li toki e lon (tenpo lili la ala). o pali e ijo pi toki ona. pini la mi kin li toki e nimi Inli ni: Yes, you have to put all subordinate clauses (or fragments thereof, except as noted later) into separ...
by janKipo
Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:01 pm
Forum: musi
Topic: Dilbert en tenpo suno pi kama sin pi jan Kolisu
Replies: 14
Views: 10047

Re: Dilbert en tenpo suno pi kama sin pi jan Kolisu

Hortative/optative: 'o' plus full sentence "May you/he/ whatever ..." also "Let us ..." Wishing and urging. So: 'o sina musi pona e tenpo...' Still have 'ala' for 'ali' in the second occurrence. a=absence, e=everything, i=infinity (pound, pound!) Yeah, I've seen it both ways and ...
by janKipo
Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:20 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: toki pi kalama pona suli
Replies: 73
Views: 39106

Re: toki pi kalama pona suli

toki pi kalama pona suli -jan Tomaso Lantopi suno kama la mi mute li pine e lape. or 'pini lape' or, according to another thread here, 'weka lape' or even 'kama lape ala' I'm not sure if there are subtle differences here. 'suno kama' "next (or future) sun" aiming for "at dawn/sunrise...
by janKipo
Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:48 pm
Forum: jan nasa li wile ante e toki pona
Topic: modals
Replies: 9
Views: 7344

Re: modals

Interesting, but I think we need some glosses to get to the point you are working toward. Most of these have several potential English trats, depending on context, and so it is hard to work on from the bare forms.
by janKipo
Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:44 pm
Forum: musi
Topic: Dilbert en tenpo suno pi kama sin pi jan Kolisu
Replies: 14
Views: 10047

Re: Dilbert en tenpo suno pi kama sin pi jan Kolisu

ALI not 'ala' -- 'i' for "immense" 'a' for "absent" wtf does 'lon o lon e ni' mean? "Present one, fetch this."? Just drop it? (oh, yeah, 'e' for "enormous") 'kin la' is OK, or 'mi kin' (but see above) 'mi en sina li pana' since subj is not just one of them. '...
by janKipo
Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:00 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Luke's nativity narrative
Replies: 5
Views: 4250

Re: Luke's nativity narrative

'jan waso sewi' is a nice save, although not all angels have wings, iirc -- but in modern popular lore, ... 'poki pi moku soweli' is dead on, the original is phatne "a manger, crib," an eating place, as the English name says. Yes, 'sike' has a prepositional use (maybe with 'lon' or some su...
by janKipo
Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:08 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Luke's nativity narrative
Replies: 5
Views: 4250

Re: Luke's nativity narrative

Meli Kalikimaka etc. Ah, the old "about" problem! Almost as old as the number issue. I don't like 'sike' either, but can't get anybody (myself included) to come up with a reasonable solution,except 'toki e ijo pi ...' which is still objectionable for all sorts of reasons. There is also the...
by janKipo
Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:19 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: is the tp word ala productive?
Replies: 4
Views: 3332

Re: is the tp word ala productive?

Y'wanna distinguish tween new uses and realizes old potentials. I say that 'weka' already has the potential to be a modal and we're just realizing it. I say this because I don't want to be accused of innovations when I say that 'pini' 'open' and 'awen' are modals, which I do because they fit a very ...
by janKipo
Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:04 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: is the tp word ala productive?
Replies: 4
Views: 3332

Re: is the tp word ala productive?

Well, 'ala' has scope problems to begin with. Leaving aside its effect on sentences overall, it is used two ways in compound noun phrases. On the one hand, it modifies everything to its left, like a good modifier. On the other, it just modifies the immediately left word, like a "prefix." T...