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by janKipo
Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:26 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book
Replies: 21
Views: 11175

Re: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book

Strictly speaking, there is no official anything in toki pona, since there is no one with the authority (nor any body to give them the authority) to decide issues. Sonja ha considerable prestige and is listened to (when she deigns to speak) but, as even Lope shows, her pronouncements are often chall...
by janKipo
Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:56 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: How do you say/translate this word/phrase into Toki Pona?
Replies: 12
Views: 4311

Re: How do you say/translate this word/phrase into Toki Pona?

I have become a big fan of ‘ni:’, not just for indirect discourse but also for complex modifiers, like passives and expressions like “so ... that..” ('mama sina li suli ni: ona jo e nanpa sama pi ma pi lon pi lipu pana toki’). Constantly finding new uses.
by janKipo
Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:21 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Verb vs. Predicate
Replies: 14
Views: 5809

Re: Verb vs. Predicate

Yes, but note the structure of the verb neg verb string is different. Tp: (verb neg) verb, Ch: verb (neg verb).
by janKipo
Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: "Going" questions
Replies: 5
Views: 2496

Re: "Going" questions

Well, the problem is that there is no strict rule. We are told to just add predicates one after the other. But what if the two predicates have the same DO: 'ona li pali e pan’ and ‘ona li moku e pan’ (with the same pan, but even putting it this way is suspicious, since there is never any mention of ...
by janKipo
Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:26 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: "Going" questions
Replies: 5
Views: 2496

Re: "Going" questions

Right track, just details mainly. Remember that ‘insa’ and ‘poka’ and the like are nouns and so what is attached to them is a modifier, which requires ‘pi’ if it is more than one word. 1. Here we have two predicates, ‘tawa esun’ and ‘tawa tomo mi’ Predicates are joined by putting a ‘li’ in front of ...
by janKipo
Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:28 pm
Forum: ijo ante | miscellaneous | diversaj
Topic: Days in. court
Replies: 0
Views: 7081

Days in. court

tenpo suno tu pini la mi lon tomo lawa. tenpo sike tu en kipisi la mi utala e tomo tawa kepeken tomo tawa mi. kama ni li pakala pi lili mute e tomo tawa mi li pakala ali e tomo tawa pi jan ante. kulupu selo li pana e mani pi tawa pona pi tomo tawa tu en tawa pona e sijelo pi jan lawa ante. tenpo ni ...
by janKipo
Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book
Replies: 21
Views: 11175

Re: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book

Yes, this is my least favorite book. I haven’t gone through it more than I just did, but I fear, from what I have heard, that it contains other howlers as it goes one. And many negative things baout ordinary tp, even including some of Sonja’s and, of course (see Lope’s note on Forums), any of mine.
by janKipo
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book
Replies: 21
Views: 11175

Re: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book

Adv & adj Lope limits adjective strings to three members, apparently. I don’t know where he got this nor whether he is serious. He does have (but does not develop) the notion of adjective types and “logical” order. I’m not sure tp has this or what it is, if it does. I use English classes and ord...
by janKipo
Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:35 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book
Replies: 21
Views: 11175

Re: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book

Chapter 4 or so Here is the usual crap about the direct object standing for the thing that is acted upon, in spite of the many cases where it haas nothing done to it or even does something to the subject. It is just the noun that fills out the verb, in whatever way is allowed (not always obvious). C...
by janKipo
Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:12 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book
Replies: 21
Views: 11175

Re: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book

Of course, ‘li’ does not just come between a third person subject and a verb (including, of course, the “missing” “be”); it comes after frst person ‘mi mute’ (and the like) and ‘second ‘sina mute’ (etc.). The way this is presented makes it seem that the subject and the predicate (what ‘li’ comes bef...

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