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by janKipo
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:48 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Wrong place name pronunciation
Replies: 5
Views: 2153

Re: Wrong place name pronunciation

But in the old Spanish, they were pronounced Shavier, Meshiko, and Teshas. So, back to Sonja’s side again. To the practical point, modern Spanish /x/ offers a choice for toki pona, /k/ for its velarity or /s/ for its fricativity. There is, at that point, no decisive reason for one rather than the ot...
by janKipo
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:21 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Wrong place name pronunciation
Replies: 5
Views: 2153

Re: Wrong place name pronunciation

No, we try to avoid English input and arguments that veer close to English are automatically suspect. So the case for/s/ is that it is a fricative, like /x/, is a sibilant like /x/used to be and still is in parts of Mexico (admittedly not parts where Spanish is dominant, but the "Mexico" i...
by janKipo
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:06 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book
Replies: 19
Views: 6584

Re: About the "Toki Pona: The Simple Way Of Life" book

Interesting. Where is this book to be got and who is it by? I think 'monsuta' is not in the official list and 'namako¿ is only in as an alternate to 'sin'. Both are widely used quite independently. 'Monsuta' means "fear" and 'namako' means "extra" and the like. I think 'kipisi' i...
by janKipo
Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:15 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: How do you say/translate this word/phrase into Toki Pona?
Replies: 3
Views: 2191

Re: How do you say/translate this word/phrase into Toki Pona?

The first problem is that adj sona means "knowing", not "known", there is no tp passive. So, to say he is known means somebody knows him, but that is hard to work into a tidy phrase. The doesn't seem to be a good direct solution. The best approach seems to be to reword the whole ...
by janKipo
Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:15 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: How do you say/translate this word/phrase into Toki Pona?
Replies: 3
Views: 2191

Re: How do you say/translate this word/phrase into Toki Pona?

The first problem is that adj sona means "knowing", not "known", there is no tp passive. So, to say he is known means somebody knows him, but that is hard to work into a tidy phrase. The doesn't seem to be a good direct solution. The best approach seems to be to reword the whole ...
by janKipo
Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:46 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Wrong place name pronunciation
Replies: 5
Views: 2153

Re: Wrong place name pronunciation

About your footpiece, probably 'sina toki kepeken toki Epanja' "You speak Spanish", not "You are the Spanish language" as you wrote. x is a velar fricative,which offers the choice of a velar sound, k, or a frictive s. Sonja chose s, possibly influenced by the fact that it was unt...
by janKipo
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:21 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Genesis 1 translation
Replies: 32
Views: 6553

Re: Genesis 1 translation

My previous remarks having disappeared, let me try again. Sorry, Tepan, but using prepositional phrases to modify nouns is as old as can be and it has been adapted to the ‘pi’ rule for at least half a decade, if not longer. That pu never uses the construction and so never needs to apply the rule (wh...
by janKipo
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Compound Word Dictionary suggestion?
Replies: 6
Views: 1193

Re: Compound Word Dictionary suggestion?

Just an added note. ‘a’ and ‘o’ are quite distinct. ‘a’ is merely an exclamation, without an specific content outside context (and not much in it without some further specification). It is broadcast and undirected. ‘o’ is (in the relevant usage) directed to a specific audience and meant to attract t...
by janKipo
Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:25 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Compound Word Dictionary suggestion?
Replies: 6
Views: 1193

Re: Compound Word Dictionary suggestion?

Three comments. 1. As a matter of experience, making up idioms out of context is not very useful. What looks good in theory usually doesn’t work so well in the rush of context and something more apt will turn up in the moment of need. However, the discussions in these howjasay sessions sometimes cla...
by janKipo
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:23 am
Forum: jan pi toki pona
Topic: toki!
Replies: 3
Views: 10931

Re: toki!

jan Kentro o, kama pona tawa toki pona. sina wile kama sona mute e toki pona. tan ni la o awen sitelen. kin ala o lukin e lipu Sonja anu lipu Pije. o lukin kin e FAQ lon tpnimi.blogspot.com. mi wile pona ni e toki sina: ‘jan ale o, toki! mi jan Kentro (anu kepeken kalam weka ante). mi tan ma tomo Pu...

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