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by janKipo
Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:47 pm
Forum: jan nasa li wile ante e toki pona
Topic: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes
Replies: 14
Views: 60

Re: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes

Well, the comma is pointless and annoying, but I think you have the local punctuation down.
by janKipo
Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:27 pm
Forum: jan nasa li wile ante e toki pona
Topic: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes
Replies: 14
Views: 60

Re: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes

Oh, nice one. Any clue what ‘sewi li lon ala, lon ali’ is supposed to me (where is it in pu?) It looks to me suspiciously like an eroded version of ‘sewi li lon ala li lon ali’ or, maybe ‘li lon ala en lon ali’. Straight out it would mean that from every place, God is nowhere, which seems unlikely g...
by janKipo
Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:18 pm
Forum: jan nasa li wile ante e toki pona
Topic: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes
Replies: 14
Views: 60

Re: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes

The books don’t eliminate commas; there are no commas there. The only required comma I can think of is after a vocative ad before sentence, where there is an audible pause. Other commas may be useful sometimes (before terminal PPs after NPS, say) but none are required (well, except in Lope). Commas ...
by janKipo
Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:52 am
Forum: jan nasa li wile ante e toki pona
Topic: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes
Replies: 14
Views: 60

Re: Experimental punctuation for didactical purposes

This chops up units in very distracting ways and has no real foundation in grammar. I don’t see the point of it, since the structures are clear, nor why the two cases are treated the same, since the structures are quite different.

Oops! Just caught the last one, not the earlier pieces.
by janKipo
Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:30 am
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Comparisons
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Comparisons

Tepan doesn’t read this, of course, but, to clarify; The logician’s objection to ‘la’ versions of comparisons is to S la S, not to NP la S. I agree with his assessment that ‘poka pipi nanpa tu la pipi nanpa wan li lili’ is equivalent to the same with the la phrase after ‘lon’ at the end. In fact, th...
by janKipo
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: jan pi toki pona
Topic: jan pi ma tomo Manatan
Replies: 22
Views: 356

Re: jan pi ma tomo Manatan

lon insa pi ma Lonkalan. o sina tu li kama toki tawa sama.
by janKipo
Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:21 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Comparisons
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Comparisons

I‘m not convinced either way. “x is bigger than y’” doesn’t imply that x (or y) is big. Neither ‘x li suli mute ‘ nor ‘x li suli lon poka y’ implies ‘x li suii’ (consider ‘x li suli ala’ and ‘x li suli lili’ and so on). I would be less comfortable with ‘poka y la x li suli’ but even it seems free fr...
by janKipo
Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:32 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Comparisons
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Comparisons

I don’t follow Tepan here. Sometimes he seems to like ‘lon poka {}’ for “more than”, sometimes not. But he then goes off on what I take is an attack (very unclearly stated -- what do adjectives have to do with it?) on the use of ‘poka’ as a preposition for “with (comitative)”, Sonja’s own creation, ...
by janKipo
Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:35 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Comparisons
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Comparisons

The “if” problems with ‘la’ remain. What if A is not x, nor B neither. One may still be more x than the other. But the whole scientific bit about curves and standard deviations is unrealistic in real language, where we go by spur of the moment intuitions, “feelings”. in many cases (and, of course, o...
by janKipo
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:45 pm
Forum: kama sona toki
Topic: Comparisons
Replies: 20
Views: 1109

Re: Comparisons

Well, my literal mind goes immediately to “But A is not very x, so what does that make B?” Strictly, then the whole is true, even if B is clearly even more very x than A. I suppose we could go with some subjunctive sense, but even then, if A were very x, why would B only slightly x any more than is ...

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